mlpack IRC logs, 2018-03-27

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00:18 < travis-ci> mlpack/mlpack#4523 (master - d0a5e6c : Ryan Curtin): The build passed.
00:18 < travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/mlpack/mlpack/compare/a8d2b3b9c48f...d0a5e6ce2f93
00:18 < travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/mlpack/mlpack/builds/358653287
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00:56 < manish7294> rcurtin: Sorry for disturbing! But Did you get a chance to view the proposal?
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01:28 < rcurtin> manish7294: I was not able to, but I will look tomorrow morning
01:31 < manish7294> rcurtin: Thanks! Please try to make it before the deadline :)
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08:12 < Jackey-Huo> Hey, I plan to joint the mlpack's GSoC project in reinforcement learning. after read the source code, I find that some typical tabular MDP method donot implemented yet(e.g. value iteration...)
08:15 < Jackey-Huo> but the project introduction said mlpack prefer implementations of recent ideas. So does mlpack have the plan to implement the fully set of RL method? or only recent, Neuron-Network related method is wanted?
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08:46 < ckeshavabs> rcurtin: Hi, do we have the flexibility to use extra gpu-cores for mlpack algorithms? Like installing tensorflow-gpu provides great scale up in speeds if we have a gpu right?
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09:03 < ckeshavabs> zoq: To perform image processing with OpenCV, we will need to install the OpenCV as a dependency on the local machine right? and then include only the relevant headers in preprocessing files? Any other way to achieve the same?
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09:35 < Atharva> sumedhghaisas2: Hi Sumedh. It will be very helpful if you could answer the doubts I posted here yesterday, the deadline is in 6 hours and I want to make those changes.
09:37 < sumedhghaisas2> @Atharva: Hi Atharva
09:38 < sumedhghaisas2> We should use the distributions in MLPack to sample from and model the output.
09:39 < sumedhghaisas2> We could implement the re-paramatrization trick inside Gaussian Distribution class, which provides us a sample from the distribution with mean and variance
09:40 < sumedhghaisas2> we could implement it's backprob inside the class as well. This way any other Distribution could be easily converted to be used instead of Gaussian
09:41 < sumedhghaisas2> I mean in case user does not want Gaussian but some other distribution as a prior over the latents.
09:41 < Atharva> Okay yeah, I will mention this.
09:43 < sumedhghaisas2> Another important use of distributions will be in modelling output.
09:44 < sumedhghaisas2> if p(x | z) is the distribution over the output logits, then loss simply becomes
09:44 < sumedhghaisas2> p.log_prob(reconstruction) + KL
09:45 < sumedhghaisas2> this way user can use various distributions to model the output
09:48 < Atharva> Also, when we pass encoder/decoder as LayerTypes, I still add layers with Add<>, right?
09:48 < Atharva> I wasn’t able to reproduce the changes from your PR on my system
09:49 < sumedhghaisas2> Yes. That's right.
09:50 < Atharva> Okay thanks, I will try to make these changes in the PR, I have changed the timeline according to what you suggested.
09:50 < sumedhghaisas2> as long as FFN is available to Boost variant type LayerTypes<>, the conversion will be implicit
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09:51 < sumedhghaisas2> great :)
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11:20 < zoq> Jackey-Huo: Hello thanks for getting in touch, not all methods, but recent and interesting.
11:20 < zoq> ckeshavabs: You could build against NVBLAS, to get GPU acceleration.
11:22 < zoq> ckeshavabs: About OpenCV, I guess if someone needs OpenCV he could just link against the lib and use the functionality.
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12:50 < manthan> rcurtin : if you find time can you please have a look at my proposal (submitted as draft)
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13:11 [ aditya ] [ djhoulihan] [ gtank ] [ manthan ] [ prakhar_code[m]] [ vivekp]
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13:22 < rcurtin> manthan: a couple quick comments---
13:23 < rcurtin> I think that DatasetMapper<> already does the simplest tokenization operation (convert a string to a unique index), so you might be able to use that internally
13:23 < rcurtin> also, I think it would help for clarity if you made a quick list of the exact algorithms you were planning to implement; extracting them from the list of tasks is a little time consuming and I am not sure if I missed something
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13:24 < manthan> ya , i missed DatasetMapper<> , this can get the unique tokens and i will build the algo on top of this
13:25 < manthan> rcurtin : Each task is an algorithm as such(except testing task). But if you say so, i can make a compiled list after the deliverable section
13:29 < manthan> is the deliverable and task list good enough given the timeframe? thats what I am focusing more on. Thanks for the comments.
13:36 < rcurtin> I think that is fine, yes
13:38 < manthan> rcurtin : Thanks a lot for the review, I will include your changes and submit the final proposal.
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14:31 < rajiv_> @rcurtin Thanks for the feedback! I have one small query, does auto_detect mode in load() work for formats like .png directly?
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15:11 < rcurtin> finally! http://masterblaster.mlpack.org/job/docker%20mlpack%20nightly%20build/264/
15:13 < dmatt> Hello everyone! I am Thanasis Mattas and I study Physics in Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Greece. I found out a bit late about GSoC, but I did upload a proposal about "Algorithm Optimization". Any review will be more than whelcome! Thank you!
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15:45 < sourabhvarshney1> @dmatt I think you are pretty much too late. But don't worry. GSoC is not the only think in which you can contribute to Open Source. You can contribute to mlpack freely too. Please feel free to ask your doubts here if there are any.
15:45 < sourabhvarshney1> thing*
15:46 < sourabhvarshney1> @dmatt Refer http://www.mlpack.org/involved.html and http://www.mlpack.org/gsoc.html for getting started.
15:47 < sourabhvarshney1> If you had provided a proposal then start contributing to maximize your chances.
15:48 < sourabhvarshney1> @dmatt I thought initially that you haven't provided any proposal yet
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16:06 < rcurtin> ok, all proposals are submitted... this year we received 107 proposals total
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16:29 < dmatt> @sourabhvarshney1 Yes, I do plan to contribute either ways!
16:30 < dmatt> @sourabhvarshney1 Thanks a lot for your replies!
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16:46 < zoq> rcurtin: green matrix build, yay!
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17:56 < sourabhvarshney1> @zoq Can you tell me in short about green matrix?
18:11 < rcurtin> sourabhvarshney1: he's referring to the Jenkins matrix build: http://masterblaster.mlpack.org/job/docker%20mlpack%20nightly%20build/264/
18:20 < sourabhvarshney1> @rcurtin Does this build test whether mlpack will work with different versions of it's dependencies?
18:21 < rcurtin> yes, exactly
18:24 < sourabhvarshney1> @rcurtin I checked previous build #262. It was failing on NesterovMomentumSGDSpeedUp Test function. Was that due to less number of iterations?
18:26 < sourabhvarshney1> I think I had committed for this test. Did you change it because now the build is passing?
18:27 < sourabhvarshney1> Just curious about that
18:29 < rcurtin> I loosened the tolerances somewhat, yes
18:29 < rcurtin> it would occasionally fail with different random seeds
18:37 < sourabhvarshney1> @rcurtin Does this imply that the test may not converge every time with different random seeds?
18:38 < rcurtin> yeah, that is exactly what is happening; the nesterov momentum does not always get to a good solution with different random seeds
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18:56 < sourabhvarshney1> @rcurtin I think this is the drawback of the optimiser. What say? Thanks for providing me with such valuable information.
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18:59 < rcurtin> sourabhvarshney1: agreed, that is one of the issues with randomized methods. getting the tolerance right works for the tests; I don't think anything is wrong with the implementation
18:59 < sourabhvarshney1> Thanks once again. Very grateful to have such information from you.
19:04 < rcurtin> sure, happy to help
19:05 < manthan> sourabhvarshney1 : In addition you can have a look at https://github.com/mlpack/mlpack/pull/1306 wherein a fixed random seed can be set for tests if needed.
19:06 < manthan> rcurtin : what would be better increasing tolerances or setting a fixed seed though?
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19:17 < sourabhvarshney1> @manthan I think both are necessary because setting a fixed seed might cause trouble if we need to check over various points, then increase tolerance would work. Not sure, so correct me if I am wrong.
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19:25 < manthan> ya i understand that both are necessary, i mean in a trade off what would be preferable to do
19:28 < rcurtin> manthan: I prefer increasing tolerances
19:28 < rcurtin> if we use a fixed seed, then it is possible that the algorithm is implemented completely incorrectly but just so happens to converge for one specific test seed
19:28 < rcurtin> (this happens, by the way!)
19:29 < rcurtin> if we don't use a fixed seed, it's possible users may be randomly hit by failing tests, but since we have a matrix build and do a lot of testing, we can have a lot more confidence that the implementation isn't broken
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19:31 < sourabhvarshney1> @rcurtin Upto which limit we can increase the tolerances? Within 1% or 2% at max. or it can be more?
19:33 < rcurtin> sourabhvarshney1: there is no exact science for that
19:33 < sourabhvarshney1> That means that depends on the test?
19:33 < rcurtin> right
19:35 < sourabhvarshney1> Ok got it. Thanks again
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